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		<title>By: Sara Schwarzbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Schwarzbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course therapists need to be thinking constantly about how to increase their own awareness. It is difficult to help our clients go beyond where we have gone ourrselves. 


But it is also true that increased awareness can come from, among other activities, reading a good novel. 

In therapy, as in life, every change we make is about awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course therapists need to be thinking constantly about how to increase their own awareness. It is difficult to help our clients go beyond where we have gone ourrselves. </p>
<p>But it is also true that increased awareness can come from, among other activities, reading a good novel. </p>
<p>In therapy, as in life, every change we make is about awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabrim Raven Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabrim Raven Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings: I am the LHA for San Francisco Lighthouse Church located of course in San Francisco. I must agree with a number of you that believe in the importance of client-therapist relationships as being key to the client&#039;s recovery. As an African-American man who is also a Christian, I have encountered a number of scenarios where race, class and belief system did greatly impact the relationship. I believe that as MHSA professionals we are often afraid that our training and life experience is not capable of assisting us in dealing with our clients; perhaps that is why we are consistently changing the DSM. 

We are also fearful that we are imperfect and lack understanding of others -- that in fact,  our understanding of others may be critically flawed through personal bias. I believe that by undergoing therapy we are preventing ourselves from engaging in further psychological colonization of traditionally marginalized groups by creating a situation for ourselves in which we are able to address our own corrupted natures and exorcise them as much as possible before unconsciously turning our shadows lost upon our clients. We must realize that we enter into the healing relationship not as beams of light, but as human beings who may become co-opted by our own leser natures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings: I am the LHA for San Francisco Lighthouse Church located of course in San Francisco. I must agree with a number of you that believe in the importance of client-therapist relationships as being key to the client&#8217;s recovery. As an African-American man who is also a Christian, I have encountered a number of scenarios where race, class and belief system did greatly impact the relationship. I believe that as MHSA professionals we are often afraid that our training and life experience is not capable of assisting us in dealing with our clients; perhaps that is why we are consistently changing the DSM. </p>
<p>We are also fearful that we are imperfect and lack understanding of others &#8212; that in fact,  our understanding of others may be critically flawed through personal bias. I believe that by undergoing therapy we are preventing ourselves from engaging in further psychological colonization of traditionally marginalized groups by creating a situation for ourselves in which we are able to address our own corrupted natures and exorcise them as much as possible before unconsciously turning our shadows lost upon our clients. We must realize that we enter into the healing relationship not as beams of light, but as human beings who may become co-opted by our own leser natures.</p>
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		<title>By: Graciela Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graciela Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About some recent comments in this thread, I would like to learn  more about what other paths to insight, self-awareness, and emotional health may be available besides therapy that those of us who are clinicians could recommend to the public, instead of accepting them as clients in our practices. I know, this may sound  paradoxical, but please bear with me for a minute.  

Freud, for example, did self-analysis but only because as he was a pioneer, there was nobody else who could analyze him. Then we have yoga, meditation, tai chi, religious faith, prayer, exercise, healthy diet, bioenergetics, massage, using art as a way of personal expression, working for the common good, or just talking to a friend, family member or significant other. 

It seems to me that all of the above resources can be instrumental in helping people to feel better and get to know more about who they are. Some of them I have personally used with some success. However, I would have to ask myself, why would I have chosen to become a psychotherapist, investing all this time, energy, effort, and dedication, if I didn&#039;t believe in its use for my own personal benefit and growth? The answer is simple, at least for me.

Thank you again for a great discussion on a fascinating topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About some recent comments in this thread, I would like to learn  more about what other paths to insight, self-awareness, and emotional health may be available besides therapy that those of us who are clinicians could recommend to the public, instead of accepting them as clients in our practices. I know, this may sound  paradoxical, but please bear with me for a minute.  </p>
<p>Freud, for example, did self-analysis but only because as he was a pioneer, there was nobody else who could analyze him. Then we have yoga, meditation, tai chi, religious faith, prayer, exercise, healthy diet, bioenergetics, massage, using art as a way of personal expression, working for the common good, or just talking to a friend, family member or significant other. </p>
<p>It seems to me that all of the above resources can be instrumental in helping people to feel better and get to know more about who they are. Some of them I have personally used with some success. However, I would have to ask myself, why would I have chosen to become a psychotherapist, investing all this time, energy, effort, and dedication, if I didn&#8217;t believe in its use for my own personal benefit and growth? The answer is simple, at least for me.</p>
<p>Thank you again for a great discussion on a fascinating topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaelline Jaffe PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaelline Jaffe PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graciela, you seem to have a good grasp on some of the reasons behind the disparity b/t those who do or do not have personal therapy. Definitely the theoretical schools that emphasize intrapsychic and intersubjectivity would require therapy/analysis before practicing. However, I see the other side, the view of being a &quot;model of mental health perfection,&quot; as highly flawed from the start. It&#039;s an absolute set-up of an unhealthy hierarchical relationship: I, the all-knowing expert, know what&#039;s best for you, the poor, miserable, flawed client. I would never knowingly refer a client to such a therapist; the whole idea is offensive to me. 

I think personal therapy should definitely be a requirement for licensing as a therapist. In my view, no matter how good one&#039;s childhood was, there will be blindspots in the therapy office. I wouldn&#039;t teach someone to fly if I, myself, were not a pilot. And to say I taught myself would not instill confidence in most students! Even doctors have reported on the huge shift in perspective when they have become a patient (eg: read The Anatomy of Hope, written by a doctor who totally changed his medical approach after having been on the other side as a patient).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graciela, you seem to have a good grasp on some of the reasons behind the disparity b/t those who do or do not have personal therapy. Definitely the theoretical schools that emphasize intrapsychic and intersubjectivity would require therapy/analysis before practicing. However, I see the other side, the view of being a &#8220;model of mental health perfection,&#8221; as highly flawed from the start. It&#8217;s an absolute set-up of an unhealthy hierarchical relationship: I, the all-knowing expert, know what&#8217;s best for you, the poor, miserable, flawed client. I would never knowingly refer a client to such a therapist; the whole idea is offensive to me. </p>
<p>I think personal therapy should definitely be a requirement for licensing as a therapist. In my view, no matter how good one&#8217;s childhood was, there will be blindspots in the therapy office. I wouldn&#8217;t teach someone to fly if I, myself, were not a pilot. And to say I taught myself would not instill confidence in most students! Even doctors have reported on the huge shift in perspective when they have become a patient (eg: read The Anatomy of Hope, written by a doctor who totally changed his medical approach after having been on the other side as a patient).</p>
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		<title>By: Jaelline Jaffe PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaelline Jaffe PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, I totally agree with your comments. My reply, however, is to thank you for something else: your analogy is &quot;souper&quot; [sorry - couldn&#039;t help that one :) ]. I&#039;m collecting analogies, metaphors and teaching stories that therapists use, and this is a good one! I&#039;d forgotten that I used to compare beef jerky with filet mignon in a similar way ... but yours is even more picturesque. So thanks for your contribution to my collection! I&#039;m doing an article on this topic and will be presenting at CAMFT on same, and will give credit to contributors, so I hope you are OK with my using this, and I will add you as a source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, I totally agree with your comments. My reply, however, is to thank you for something else: your analogy is &#8220;souper&#8221; [sorry - couldn't help that one <img src='http://therapistleadershipinstitute.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]. I&#8217;m collecting analogies, metaphors and teaching stories that therapists use, and this is a good one! I&#8217;d forgotten that I used to compare beef jerky with filet mignon in a similar way &#8230; but yours is even more picturesque. So thanks for your contribution to my collection! I&#8217;m doing an article on this topic and will be presenting at CAMFT on same, and will give credit to contributors, so I hope you are OK with my using this, and I will add you as a source.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a Clinical Social Worker, providing psychotherapy to individuals, families and couples and having my own private practice has been an incredibly rewarding and enlightening experience.  But not until I entered into my own therapy (a must, I believe) did I truly begin to understand what it&#039;s like to be a client and the courage it takes to open up, delve into difficult and often painful issues and work towards healing and growth.  As others have said already, the therapeutic experience also helps in dealing with transference and counter-transference issues that inevitably arise in providing therapy to clients.  I encourage all mental health professionals who are providing therapy to have their own therapeutic experience, even if they believe they are basically doing well.  Good luck and, thanks, Casey for bringing up this topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a Clinical Social Worker, providing psychotherapy to individuals, families and couples and having my own private practice has been an incredibly rewarding and enlightening experience.  But not until I entered into my own therapy (a must, I believe) did I truly begin to understand what it&#8217;s like to be a client and the courage it takes to open up, delve into difficult and often painful issues and work towards healing and growth.  As others have said already, the therapeutic experience also helps in dealing with transference and counter-transference issues that inevitably arise in providing therapy to clients.  I encourage all mental health professionals who are providing therapy to have their own therapeutic experience, even if they believe they are basically doing well.  Good luck and, thanks, Casey for bringing up this topic!</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Dotson, LCSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie Dotson, LCSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be an assumption that in order to have self-awareness and insight, one needs to have been in therapy. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s true.

Therapy isn&#039;t the be all and end all and certainly is not the only road to self-awareness and insight. It is one way, but not the absolute way, and I think too many therapists overstate the value of therapy as the path to enlightenment, if you will. 

Sure it&#039;s probably helpful to have spent some time in the chair to better understand the process from the client&#039;s perspective. 

However, on the other hand, if I want to be a heart surgeon, do I have to have had open heart surgery first to &quot;understand&quot; what it&#039;s like to be a patient? Or if I become a lawyer, do I have to have been sued or prosecuted to understand? Absolutely not.

To piggyback on what someone commented earlier, we need to be emotionally healthy and live stable lives to do excellent work with our clients. If going to therapy is a tool that helps you do that, great. But it&#039;s not the only path to emotional health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be an assumption that in order to have self-awareness and insight, one needs to have been in therapy. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>Therapy isn&#8217;t the be all and end all and certainly is not the only road to self-awareness and insight. It is one way, but not the absolute way, and I think too many therapists overstate the value of therapy as the path to enlightenment, if you will. </p>
<p>Sure it&#8217;s probably helpful to have spent some time in the chair to better understand the process from the client&#8217;s perspective. </p>
<p>However, on the other hand, if I want to be a heart surgeon, do I have to have had open heart surgery first to &#8220;understand&#8221; what it&#8217;s like to be a patient? Or if I become a lawyer, do I have to have been sued or prosecuted to understand? Absolutely not.</p>
<p>To piggyback on what someone commented earlier, we need to be emotionally healthy and live stable lives to do excellent work with our clients. If going to therapy is a tool that helps you do that, great. But it&#8217;s not the only path to emotional health.</p>
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		<title>By: mayte</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, all therapists, just get their own therapy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, all therapists, just get their own therapy.</p>
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		<title>By: Graciela Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graciela Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to this interesting discussion, I found this interesting quote from Carl Jung: &quot; the patient&#039;s treatment begins with the doctor, so to speak. Only if the doctor knows how to cope with himself (herself) and his own problems, will he be able to teach the patient to do the same. Only then.&quot; 

The comment written by Sally von Erffa also raised an important point about the fact that therapists and their clients are not isolated people but members of a larger society and culture, which means that issues related to culture, race, and social class inevitably become a part of the work in therapy. I wonder then about those therapeutic dyads in which their members may have different backgrounds, and how this may allow for an appreciation of the subtle ways in which cultural bias can be enacted. It is in this regard that part of our own personal therapy as clinicians is to become cognizant of misconceptions and projections on the different &quot;other,&quot; and examine areas of ethnic, racial or religious prejudice based on personal experiencies. Besides benefiting the client and avoiding countertransference pitfalls, it will enrich the therapist&#039;s inner world of feelings and knowledge and make her/him a more effective healer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to this interesting discussion, I found this interesting quote from Carl Jung: &#8221; the patient&#8217;s treatment begins with the doctor, so to speak. Only if the doctor knows how to cope with himself (herself) and his own problems, will he be able to teach the patient to do the same. Only then.&#8221; </p>
<p>The comment written by Sally von Erffa also raised an important point about the fact that therapists and their clients are not isolated people but members of a larger society and culture, which means that issues related to culture, race, and social class inevitably become a part of the work in therapy. I wonder then about those therapeutic dyads in which their members may have different backgrounds, and how this may allow for an appreciation of the subtle ways in which cultural bias can be enacted. It is in this regard that part of our own personal therapy as clinicians is to become cognizant of misconceptions and projections on the different &#8220;other,&#8221; and examine areas of ethnic, racial or religious prejudice based on personal experiencies. Besides benefiting the client and avoiding countertransference pitfalls, it will enrich the therapist&#8217;s inner world of feelings and knowledge and make her/him a more effective healer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my colleagues above have stated so well, I too believe that therapists need to have experienced their own therapy to be good therapists. 

I, too, believe that understanding the process of therapy from the client&#039;s standpoint is essential to forming good therapeutic alliance, as well as knowing how to shape one&#039;s business communications with potential clients. 

But more importantly is the self awareness and healing that is possible so that we are not using our work as therapists to heal ourselves, and so that we aren&#039;t tied up in counter-transference issues to the detriment of our client&#039;s care. 

I agree that most therapists want to do healing work. I also believe that those who don&#039;t think they need therapy probably shouldn&#039;t do it themselves. 

Graduate programs should include at least a brief period of personal therapy as part of their process of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my colleagues above have stated so well, I too believe that therapists need to have experienced their own therapy to be good therapists. </p>
<p>I, too, believe that understanding the process of therapy from the client&#8217;s standpoint is essential to forming good therapeutic alliance, as well as knowing how to shape one&#8217;s business communications with potential clients. </p>
<p>But more importantly is the self awareness and healing that is possible so that we are not using our work as therapists to heal ourselves, and so that we aren&#8217;t tied up in counter-transference issues to the detriment of our client&#8217;s care. </p>
<p>I agree that most therapists want to do healing work. I also believe that those who don&#8217;t think they need therapy probably shouldn&#8217;t do it themselves. </p>
<p>Graduate programs should include at least a brief period of personal therapy as part of their process of education.</p>
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